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Welcome to ’So What?” with Michael and Trevor as they invites us on a journey of big ideas. Join them as they talk about their mission to dig into thought-provoking ideas through diverse experiences of wisdom and voices. They bring a spacious perspective, a heap of curiosity, and a deep desires to see big ideas actually ’matter’ and be embodied in real life. Let’s be real - ideas can be fascinating, however if big ideas don’t lead us to more love, more peace, and more beautiful connections in the world - ’so what!’ Thanks to Jim for production and Rebekah for the voice behind the scenes. This podcast is produced by McKillop; Living Sacred Relationships.
Welcome to ’So What?” with Michael and Trevor as they invites us on a journey of big ideas. Join them as they talk about their mission to dig into thought-provoking ideas through diverse experiences of wisdom and voices. They bring a spacious perspective, a heap of curiosity, and a deep desires to see big ideas actually ’matter’ and be embodied in real life. Let’s be real - ideas can be fascinating, however if big ideas don’t lead us to more love, more peace, and more beautiful connections in the world - ’so what!’ Thanks to Jim for production and Rebekah for the voice behind the scenes. This podcast is produced by McKillop; Living Sacred Relationships.
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Jan 16, 2026
Jan 16, 2026
1 hr 3 min
So What? Exploring Big Ideas and Why They Matter
Welcome to Episode 10 - The Great Open Dance: A Better Story of God
What if faith isn’t dying—it’s growing up? Jon Paul Sydnor joins us for a wide-ranging conversation about a spirituality you can actually live in your body and your real life. We talk about love as the thread that ties us together (he calls it “loving inseparability”), why God isn’t a cosmic puppeteer, and why the best kind of church is backstage: honest, safe, unpolished, and full of people learning to carry one another toward healing and flourishing.
Jon Paul Sydnor is Professor of Theology and Religious Studies at Emmanuel College, theologian-in-residence at Grace Community Boston, and a podcaster at The Progressive Sacred. He studied at the University of Virginia, Princeton Theological Seminary, and Boston College, where he received his PhD. He practices theology in conversation with other religions, especially Hinduism and
Buddhism.
To find out more about Jon Paul, join his substack the Great Open Dance:Progressive Christian Theology (https://jonpaulsydnor.substack.com/) or you can buy his latest book, "The Great Open Dance: Progressive Christian Theology (https://www.amazon.ca/Great-Open-Dance-Progressive-Christian/dp/1666775150) .To explore nondualism, read the book edited by Jon Paul Sydnor and Anthony J. Watson entitled: "Nondualism: An Interreligious Exploration" from Lexington Books.
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Thanks to Jim for production and Rebekah for the voice behind the scenes.
This podcast is produced by McKillop; Living Sacred Relationships.
Jan 16, 2026
1 hr 3 min

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